West Point Graduates Against the War

Just this morning I found out about this group of West Point Graduates who are opposed to the war in Iraq and presumably, President Bush as well. Initially I was somewhat shocked and dismayed that graduates from such an esteemed institution as West Point could come out against what we are currently trying to accomplish in the War Against Terror. Then I remembered that graduating from West Point alone doesn’t make one any better than another as well as remembering the likes of John Kerry.

I looked up the group and found their website. On it I see the usual lefty rhetoric about Bush lied and such and the bios of the three founders of the group, Bill Cross, Jim Ryan, and Joe Wojcik, 1962 graduates. It was Joe Wojcik being interviewd briefly on Fox News’s Sunday Fox & Friends this morning and he did not impress me. Other than his opposition to the Iraq battles and complaining about West Point objecting to their use of the compyrighted name West Point, he would not answer any questions directly. When pressed about what he would have President do in the war, all he could say was he was not there to discuss that and they were not a group to call the shots. So, that led me to believe they must be left wingers opposing to be opposing.

That led me to seeking their website to see just who and what this group of maybe 30 graduates stand for. In looking over the bios, curiously absent from that of Joe Wojcik is how long he served, compared to the bios of his friends who served 10 years and 5 years. None state why they left Military Service after receiving a first class education in West Point. They also seem to rely heavily on West Points Cadet Honor System as well as past speeches by Dwight D. Eisenhower and Douglas McArthur, both West Point graduates and career Army Generals who led the Allied Forces to victory in World War Two.

Under their Purpose page we find;

OUR PURPOSE

To help reclaim the honor of the United States of America

·        Instilled by the Cadet Honor System with a fundamental, longstanding respect for truth, we graduates of the United States Military Academy believe that honor is a basic attribute of character. That we are no longer cadets is irrelevant. We stand appalled by the deceitful behavior of the government of the United States and, in particular, its widely known malefactors. Lying, cheating, stealing, delivering evasive statements and quibbling not only has demeaned these deceivers and the United States of America, but has placed vast numbers of innocent people in deadly peril. We will not serve the lies.

·        The war in Iraq was launched illegally. It has since killed tens of thousands of innocents, causing incalculable damage to Iraq and the Iraqi people, as well as the reputation of the United States of America. We will not serve the lies.

·        When we West Point graduates took our commissioning oath of office one past June morning, we swore to protect our nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The deceitful connivances of the current administration have resulted in a war catastrophic to our nation’s interests: politically, economically, militarily, and morally. We now stand to protect our nation from these deceivers. We will not serve their lies.

·        We seek justice for all victims of this illegal war, both servicemen and servicewomen, and the citizens of Iraq.

·        To our purpose we invoke the words of Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence whereby we too “mutually pledge to each other our lives, our Fortunes, & our sacred Honor.”

This diatribe, protected by the US Constitution as “Freedom of Speech” reminds me of every other group opposing the US interests around the world as well as groups started up by leftists during the Viet Nam Conflict that led us to abandon an ally and allow them to become enslaved by the Communist North Vietnamese. Under the guise of “restoring America’s honor,” anti-war groups would allow another ally to be decimated and returned to the oppression they have suffered for decades under the regime of Saddam Hussein. I can find no honor in encouraging such an outcome.

On their Home Page we also see the usual left winged rhetoric we have become used to;

Weapons of mass destruction        LIE!

Saddam linked with 9/11                LIE!

“We don’t torture.”                         LIE!

I have no need to covering each and every one of these bogus claims here they have been adequately covered before. Let it be said that for a group so deeply concerned with Duty and Honor, you would think they would have done their homework on these issues and seen that none of them are lies at all and that reasonable evidence did exist. Even more evidence is forthcoming in translated documents discovered and being translated daily, which matters little to those obsessed with opposing the Bush Administration and Republicans. That this miniscule group links itself to such an Honorable Institution as West Point Military Academy with anti-American rhetoric embarrasses me, as a US Army Veteran myself.

In their quotes of former President Eisenhower, they seem to be trying to paint the picture that he was totally against war, after his leading the Allied Forces to Victory in the European theater in defeating Nazi Germany. If this is truly the case, may I remind the WPGATW that it was President Eisenhower, a Republican, that started the training of the ill fated invasion at the Bay of Pigs that was executed under the Kennedy Administration to rid Cuba of the Dictator, Fidel Castro? Makes one wonder just how they missed that little gem in their search for support of their anti-war rhetoric. Also forgotten in their quotes were the following ones;

"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation." — General Douglas MacArthur

"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." — Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat." — Theodore Roosevelt

Reminiscent of John Kerry’s Viet Nam Veterans Against the War, who had strong ties to the Communist Party of America, we also see on their home page;

WHY DIE FOR A LIE?

WHY KILL FOR A LIE?

WHY TOLERATE LIARS?

Why indeed? Did they forget it is the Soldiers Duty to follow the commands of the Commander in Chief, the current President? Did they neglect to discover that our Military was deployed further and more often under the previous Clinton Administration, after he decimated their ability by reducing their size and numbers? Did they also forget the attacks of September 11, 2001? Can they not see that the Saddam regime was harboring terrorists and were presenting a danger to the free world by offering training and funding to terrorists groups?

It’s really sad to me to see otherwise honorable men stoop to misusing the name and integrity of such an institution as West Point to further the political agenda of leftist groups that would place US sovereignty under the United Nations and allow third world countries to pick us apart.

It was said this morning that West Point was taking legal measures to stop them from using their honorable name. This group has the protected freedom of speech to utter this diatribe, but I sure hope West Points succeeds in stripping them of their usage of the name. This group deserves no more credence than the American Communist Party does, in my estimation.

Lew

 

 

 

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6 Responses to “West Point Graduates Against the War”

  1. Joseph Says:

    if you don\’t know that the war in iraq was predicated on selective \’intelligence\’ (one opinion vs. many other fact-based observations in most cases), a predisposition to use pre-emptive war as a means of getting a foothold for democracy in the middle east (ever read the PNAC papers? hmmm, that plan is working out swimmingly, now isn\’t it?), and an administration desperate to complete \’unfinished business\’ from the gulf war in the early 90s, then you are either pathetically misinformed, willfully ignorant, or perhaps just someone who chooses not to read (that\’s probably redundant to \’willfully ignorant\’, but there are some nuances).this part of your sad little post is particularly rich: > >I have no need to covering each and every one of these bogus claims here >>they have been adequately covered before.no, please. cover them again for us. you can\’t, of course, because the lies quoted on the WPGATW site are the facts. and facts are inconvenient little things when they contradict your carefully constructed little house of belief cards, aren\’t they?if you were a true patriot who actually cared about this country, you\’d drop your quaint macho "as a US Army Veteran myself" posturing and take a stand against an administration that sullies your service at every possible opportunity. bush and cheney are chickenhawks of the worst kind. if "serving" is your criteria for having any credibility on speaking out about the iraq war, why don\’t you hold the president and the vice president to the same standard to which you hold joe wojcik? further, why don\’t you take a look here and educate yourself about which "side" actually has more experience in matters of war.the truth, lew, can be a surprising thing. it can also set your free. try it some time.btw, do you really think covering up something like haditha serves thiscountry well in the long run? lord help us.

  2. LEW Says:

    if you don\’t know that the war in iraq was predicated on selective \’intelligence\’ (one opinion vs. many other fact-based observations in most cases),
     
    Tell me John, does this “selective intelligence” you bray about include what the likes of John Kerry was spewing on the Senate Floor in November 1997 in a speech titled “we must be firm with Saddam Hussein” wherein he was the one calling for action against Iraq, unilateral if need be? Odd how he forgot many of his own words, as well as those from several other Democrats leading up to this Battle in Iraq.  Odder still is how Democrats now claim to have been “misled” by Bush, but as shown, some were making the same claims long before he ran for President. Just maybe, it is you who “don’t know” what was going on and have chosen to listen to the likes of Michael Moore(on) and other bogus claims.
     
     facts are inconvenient little things when they contradict your carefully constructed little house of belief cards, aren\’t they?
     
    They can be, which is why I could no longer be a Democrat back when Carter was elected. The “facts” you think are listed on the site of the WPGATW have been shown time and again to be not facts at all, but misled opinions. Of course, everyone has them, but doesn’t it strike you as odd that it is only the left that seems to feel they have any “facts?” Odder again is how they disregard obvious real facts concerning Iraq and Saddam’s WMDs, such as nearly every single Intelligence Agency in the world stating they were there, British Intelligence standing firm on the paper about Yellow Cake, several Iraqi Officers coming forward claiming they were moved prior to the invasion, the left’s own claims of the chemical nightmare that was soon to befall our troops if they invaded Iraq etc, etc, etc. and what actually was discovered.
     
    I take it you also chose to ignore the 9-11 Commission Report where they stated there was indeed a connection between Saddam’s Iraq and Al Qaeda, although not an operational connection in regards to the WTC Terrorist attacks itself? if you were a true patriot who actually cared about this country, you\’d drop your quaint macho "as a US Army Veteran myself" posturing and take a stand against an administration that sullies your service at every possible opportunity. bush and cheney are chickenhawks of the worst kind.
     
    Attitudes as this is what I find the most laughable coming from the leftist socialists like yourself who desire to see the former Soviet Union rebuilt within our own shores. If my being a Viet Nam Veteran disturbs you, that is your problem, not mine. I served longer than both sKerry and Gore combined so it just might be possible I see the world a bit different than either of the ‘pussies’ your side has put up for election the last two times. As for ‘sullying service,” sorry, but it is your Democrats I see calling our troops cold blooded murderers, monsters, war criminals, nazis and such long before any real investigations into charges are even finished.
     
    If your idea of a “true patriot” is someone who would tear this great country apart and rebuild a copy of the failed Soviet Union in all it’s Socialist demeanor and trying desperately to convince the citizens they are victims of the values that built this country to it’s greatness and that America is the Imperialist aggressor nation Communist have claimed we are, then no thanks, I want no part of it. Redefining the word “patriot” to fit the misguided view of the leftist elite ruining our country over the past decades only leads us ever closer to being the third world country leftists wish us to become. I’ll stick with the tried and true definition of Patriot, thank you.
     
     
    if "serving" is your criteria for having any credibility on speaking out about the iraq war, why don\’t you hold the president and the vice president to the same standard to which you hold joe wojcik? further, why don\’t you take a look here and educate yourself about which "side" actually has more experience in matters of war.
     
    Maybe it is you and your former hippie dope smokers you align yourself with that take a longer look at yourselves. Five months as a reporter and 4 as a cowardly boat skipper doesn’t exactly make candidates “more experienced in matters of war” to me.  As for Joe Wojcik, since he doesn’t list his service, how can it be compared? That he chooses to speak out, for whatever reason he has, is his right, as I have noted. That I choose to speak out against his view is my right under Freedom of Speech, also garunteed me by the same Constitution he speaks out under. Funny thing the left neglects, both sides have the same freedom to speak out.
     
    If you ever chose to “educate yourself,” you would have found out that Bush’s flying the fighter plane, even if for the Texas Air National Guard, wasn’t exactly an easy task. That Cheney had student deferments shouldn’t concern any of the left as well, since John ‘F’in Kerry also had four himself! If you took the time to read past words of the very candidates your side chose to run you might learn they went to Viet Nam, not to be warriors, but to say they served, most likely with future thoughts of a Political Career in their heads. On the other hand, the hated Bush volunteered for Viet Nam service as a pilot and was denied due to not having accumulated enough hours. Sort of makes “chickenhawk” look a bit different to me.Con\’t

  3. LEW Says:

    Con\’t
     

    the truth, lew, can be a surprising thing. it can also set your free. try it some time.
     
    Ah yes, the left and their “truth.” Sorry, but your misguided plebs wouldn’t know truth even if it bit you in the posterior.btw, do you really think covering up something like haditha serves thiscountry well in the long run? lord help us.
    Covering up? Pretty hard to do with an ongoing investigation and people like Murtha shouting from the rooftops and the House Chamber that the Marines involved are cold blooded murderers and guilty even before there is any completion of said investigation. 
     
    Let me ask you, though. Do you think it does our country and troops well to be called Cold Blooded murderers and for Democrats to actively undermining the efforts of the war we are involved in and emboldening our enemies? Do you honestly think that apologizing to the real cold blooded murderers that have no problem slaughtering innocent women and children, flying aircraft into occupied civilian buildings, teaching young people, boys and girls, the best thing they can do in life is to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up (while the ones teaching that never do it themselves), twisting the words of an otherwise peaceful religion to justify world dominance of a narrow view of an oppressive belief is good for the world? If so, may I invite you to seek out some Vietnamese people that are now in our country and ask them what is was like for them when the leftist forced an abandonment of the war effort in Viet Nam and allowed the North Vietnamese to conquer the country and ask them, especially the Boat People of the late 70s and early 80s, what they had to endure. Your side can expect several times worse treatment of the Iraqi and Afghani people should you succeed in returning America to the days of the Paper Tiger we were labeled with after the “cut and run” strategy foisted on us in 1973.
     
    Since you are so big on “education,” may I also invite you to seek out and read some of the words of General Vo Ngyuen Giap, Bui Tin and others responsible for the fall of Saigon in 1975 and read how the leftist did not shorten that war but actually prolonged it after their forces were decimated in the ill fated Tet of 68 offensive.
     
    This is the true legacy your leftist elite would leave again. I really feel sorry for you if you retain this misguided hatred you hold of the greatness America earned.
     
    Thank you for stopping by.
     
    Lew

  4. Unknown Says:

    i guess i was right the first time when i posited that you choose not to read (or at least not read carefully). your responses clearly indicate an inability to parse the points made in my initial post.
    so let me help you out a bit:
    you wrote:If my being a Viet Nam Veteran disturbs you, that is your problem, not mine. i\’m not sure how you could have misconstrued anything in my post to arrive at the conclusion that your veteran status \’disturbs me\’. it doesn\’t at all. in fact, i admire you greatly for your service, as i do all that have made that sacrifice on behalf of our nation. what does bother me greatly is blind allegiance to bad policy. my point was that you (and all who serve) deserve a civilian administration that respects that service. that does not exist today. if you’re so inclined, you might spend a little time with this thoughtful essay regarding the term “chickenhawk”… which dovetails nicely with this little gem of yours that nearly brought tears to my eyes (i didn’t know whether to laugh or cry):
    On the other hand, the hated Bush volunteered for Viet Nam service as a pilot and was denied due to not having accumulated enough hours.
    whoa! it looks like you might be smoking a little bit of that “dope” you refer to in your derisive little hippie comment. the fact that you can defend bush\’s \’service\’ with a straight face (or keyboard) vaults you into the ranks of the truly delusional. and if bush isn\’t a member of the \’elite\’ you so clearly despise, pray tell who is? just because bush can\’t string together an intelligible sentence doesn\’t negate his patrician upbringing and membership in the highest income tax bracket. but go on and believe the rove spin: bush is a regular fella! hell, he’s one of us! and he served honorably (honor=getting drunk and getting laid).ultimately, you and the 29% who haven\’t figured out what a sham this administration is are as culpable as they are for the disastrous situation in which we find ourselves these days. you said:I really feel sorry for you if you retain this misguided hatred you hold of the greatness America earned.that\’s a cute little parlor trick—to claim that anyone who voices dissent against bad policy HATES america—but it\’s a tired one at best and wholly unsupported by anything in my post. i love this country as do most of the 71% who disapprove of our lying president and his disastrous policies. but i do hate a couple of things: 1) so-called leaders who willfully destroy the greatness you speak of by bankrupting us financially and morally through craven and criminal partisan-based decision-making; and 2) people who don\’t have the courage to stand up and say \’enough is enough\’.your laughable, dated rhetoric about hippies, communists, socialists and liberal elites just show how out of touch you really are. to paraphrase a common phrase from the late 60s (a period about which you seem to hold some deep-seated anger and bitterness), “tune in, turn on something other than Fox news, and drop out of the right wing if you care one whit about your soul.”
    best of luck to you, lew. you and the dwindling members of the “lie to me, abuse me, bankrupt me!” club are going to need it.
    and finally, thanks for allowing me to stop by; the NSA might not have been so generous.
    A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. – Thomas Paine

  5. LEW Says:

    i guess i was right the first time when i posited that you choose not to read (or at least not read carefully). your responses clearly indicate an inability to parse the points made in my initial post….so let me help you out a bit:
    My, isn’t that big of you, helping poor little dumb me. 
    you wrote:If my being a Viet Nam Veteran disturbs you, that is your problem, not mine. i\’m not sure how you could have misconstrued anything in my post to arrive at the conclusion that your veteran status \’disturbs me\’.
    Gawrsh, could it be “if you were a true patriot who actually cared about this country, you\’d drop your quaint macho "as a US Army Veteran myself" posturing…” yadda, yadda, yadda.
    what does bother me greatly is blind allegiance to bad policy. my point was that you (and all who serve) deserve a civilian administration that respects that service.
    Is it that hard for you to grasp that so many of us Veterans actually do see respect, even if you don’t? Doesn’t it ever make you wonder why the vast majority of Military people overwhelmingly supported Bush over Gore or Kerry? Maybe you should think about that.
    On the other hand, the hated Bush volunteered for Viet Nam service as a pilot and was denied due to not having accumulated enough hours.
    whoa! it looks like you might be smoking a little bit of that “dope” you refer to in your derisive little hippie comment.
    Talk about not reading. Try this article. Be forewarned, it is lengthy and from a non-political Aviation Magazine.
    http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml
    the fact that you can defend bush\’s \’service\’ with a straight face (or keyboard) vaults you into the ranks of the truly delusional. and if bush isn\’t a member of the \’elite\’ you so clearly despise, pray tell who is?
    The fact that you can fall for forged documents and made up claims, while turning a bind eye to claims made against an opponent by decorated Veterans ranks you further down the “truly delusional” than I.
    ultimately, you and the 29% who haven\’t figured out what a sham this administration is are as culpable as they are for the disastrous situation in which we find ourselves these days. you said:
    Ah  yes, the left and their cooked polls. You still waiting for sKerry to claim victory over the exit polls from Ohio?that\’s a cute little parlor trick—to claim that anyone who voices dissent against bad policy HATES america—but it\’s a tired one at best and wholly unsupported by anything in my post.
    I calls ‘em as I see ‘em. Your claims of “unsupported” are the cute parlor trick. Your pitiful claims of loving a country while you strive to tear it down and embarrass it because the party you prefer is not in power and because you don’t support the current war (30 years over due, in my book) while not speaking out against those who have been attacking us continually ever since 1979 and apparently your desire for the institution of leftist ideals mirroring those of the failed Soviet Union gives me all the support I need. Besides that, it’s my blog, LOL.
     i love this country as do most of the 71% who disapprove of our lying president and his disastrous policies.
    Lying President and disastrous policies? When did Bill Clinton come into the conversation?
     but i do hate a couple of things: 1) so-called leaders who willfully destroy the greatness you speak of by bankrupting us financially and morally through craven and criminal partisan-based decision-making;
    Again, why bring Clinton into this?
    and 2) people who don\’t have the courage to stand up and say \’enough is enough\’.
    People did stand up and say “enough is enough.” Did you forget who was voted into office twice now? If Republicans get voted out this November, it will be their own fault for moving further and further to the left. You may think you have 71%, but then again, you actually may believe the cooked and rigged polls published by the drive-by leftstream media.to paraphrase a common phrase from the late 60s (a period about which you seem to hold some deep-seated anger and bitterness), “tune in, turn on something other than Fox news, and drop out of the right wing if you care one whit about your soul.”
    Anger? Me? Nah. In fact, I was a hippie prior to the Army, a plain clothes hippy, though. I bought into their rhetoric as well, until I got a taste of real life and saw their pipe dream was just a myth. May I suggest some other reading that might open your eyes a little? Purchase the book “The Death of Right and Wrong,” by Tammy Bruce. She too was a staunch left winger, President of NOW in Los Angeles and an openly gay Lesbian woman who finally saw the fallacy of the left elite. Do read it, she is a great author.
    and finally, thanks for allowing me to stop by; the NSA might not have been so generous.
    This paranoia over the NSA is most laughable. They are more than welcome to read anything I write, although I doubt they do, unless they read it elsewhere. I’m more concerned at all the real liberties the left has been slowly stripping me of over the past few decades under the guise of “for the public good.” Unless you have ties to Al Qaeda, the NSA could care less about you.
    Freedom cannot exist without discipline, self-discipline, and rights cannot exist without duties. Those who do not observe their duties do not deserve their rights – Oriana Fallaci

  6. LEW Says:

    John, the esssay you desired for me to read, although written very eloquently, is about as meaningless pice of writing I have ever seen. I have to imagine the author does not have even a rudemantary understanding of Combat or how the Military functions.
     
    As for his denial of the illustrative comparisons written by his conservative friend, he fails to see that sometimes, to show absurdity one needs to be even more absurd.
     
    I fiind it quite hhypocritical that the left is worried about General Hayden heading the CIA, stating no MIlitary people should be involved with it, yet think that only Military can run the Executive Branch of the government. True, I do prefer someone with Military experience, real experience, not a PX Hero, but the Founding Fathers decided on civilian control of the Military for a reason.
     
    I cringe to imagine what the outcome of WW2 would have been had the Leftist, socialist, liberal, progressive or whatever ya\’ll are calling yourselves this week, had such postiions of prominence during that conflict.
     

     I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he excites among his opponents.
     
     
    One ought never to turn one\’s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.
     
    Quotes by WInston Churchill

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